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Ailin Lopez-Ayala posted Sep 14, 2023 9:59 PM
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After reading the chapter and learning about the backstory of the Greeks and Trojans. As
well as the discussion on whether to believe myths even after being passed down through
traditions. As a Mexican American being passed down with non-traditional myths does
show the language barrier of being told different myths yet how many are similar to
seeking the power and honor. I noticed a pattern between each of the myths, they both
ended with wanting honor and power. Relating to how current myths can be also have the
same effect as old ones with the moral of hunger for power and seeking honor. Even in the
21st century, humans are still driven for power and honor. Like the Greeks and Trojans
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mortal men, both groups sought for power and honor, yet each were given sometime of
injustice from what they assumed was a justice move. The men were hurt for the removal
of the women from their grasp which can still be seen in nowadays. less
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Hesiod's "Theogony", provides information on the birth and genealogy of the gods. Hesiod
describes the emergence of the cosmos from Chaos and the subsequent rise of the
Olympians, led by Zeus. The "Theogony" shows the Greeks' perception of divinity, fate, and
the divine forces that govern the world. "The Iliad" and "The Odyssey" show human
exploits during the Trojan War and the Odyssey of Odysseus in a sense, they are
intertwined with mythology. The gods and goddesses mangle in the lives of mortals,
shaping their fate and sharing the human experience. When reflecting on the pieces shared, as well as insight into Greek Mythology. The texts
made your mind twist and turn in different ways that overall, reflected more on religion and
its stronghold on many people's consciousness. Even though the writing could be seen as
harsh it pays tribute to the passion and pride people had. I believe that that same passion
and pride is seen in all of us, just reflected in different ways. Their passion was something
to look to and strive to be similar. I would, in a way, want to have a similar perception as
the Greeks when speaking on divinity and fate.
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Discussion of Philosophical Aacts and According to my Belief Syst
Aqeel Al-Kinani posted Sep 15, 2023 8:53 PM
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Philosophy can be defined in the general sense in the ancient world as the search for truth
regarding the universe, its nature, and man. The first person to use the word philosophy
was the Greek philosopher Pythagoras, who described himself as a philosopher. The
meaning of philosophy does not become clear unless one delve deeply into the core of
philosophical problems, learn about the ways philosophers think about them, analyze them,
and prove the solutions they arrive at. The philosophical definition does not take place and
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is not understood unless a person understands the philosophical problems and the
evidence for their solutions. Facts, philosophers like to say, are opposed to theories and to
values and are to be distinguished from things, in particular from complex objects,
complexes and wholes, and from relations. They are the objects of certain mental states
and acts, they make truth-bearers true and correspond to truths, they are part of the
furniture of the world. Not only do philosophers oppose facts to theories and to values,
they sometimes distinguish between facts which are brute and those which are not.
Philosophy according to my beliefs, term Islamic philosophy and its methods of use vary,
and it is defined as that philosophy emanating from Islamic law, and that it is that
philosophy that presents a complete conception and vision about what is related to the
universe, life, creation, and the Creator, but the most common use is what includes
philosophical works and perceptions that include the framework of Arab-Islamic culture.
The Islamic civilization and philosophy are linked to religious truths and Islamic legal texts.
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Chapter 1
Ashton Frazier posted Sep 15, 2023 10:37 PM
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The first chapter was so interesting to me because I never really understood philosophy to
the fullest, but just by reading the first page I was able to furthermore understand what
philosophy is and why it exist. For an example, the first paragraph targets the reader by
asking questions that we've all thought or heard before, "What is this life about", "Where
do us humans come from" ect. This instantly grabbed my attention and helped me
understand more about philosophy because every now and then I ask myself that question.
Us humans have never seen the first humans or the start of this world/life so it is normal
for us to ask those questions. The chapter also talked about "myths" and how these are
philosophers answers to those What and Why questions that we ask.
Personally I believe us humans are under one God who sent his son, Jesus Christ, to die for
all of our sins so that we may be able to have eternal life. I don't want to push this ideology
on anyone, nor discredit anyone who believes otherwise but there is some evidence of this
belief system being true. In the last book of the Bible, Revelation, it predicts many things
that will happen in our modern world such as the Euphrates river drying up, famine,
plagues, and many more we have yet to experience. I believe the reason us humans exist is
because we have a creator. Humans are way too complex and unique to have been created
any other way. Everyone is so different there had to have been an actual creator
personalize and handmade each one of us.
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Chapter 1. Before Philosophy
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Chapter One, "BEFORE PHILOSOPHY Myth in Hesiod and Homer" delivers two halves
dividing Hesiod and Homer explaining the philosophical styles of both. Hesiod is a poet
who tells his myths/stories directly and gives endings with a purpose. For example, the
Titans are described as powerful gods that once ruled. The myths explain their story and
every person involved connects somehow. Homer is a well-known poet who also has
inspirational myths that are seen as tales and stories. I have never read or looked into
either Hesiod's or Homer's myths/tales because as cheesy as it sounds, I believe in science
and what can be proven but, after reading and gaining some information, it is fascinating
how they both are very different but are both looked upon in philosophy. From reading
chapter one, Hesiod seems like a more informational poet while Homer seems like a
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Chapter 1 Discussion 9-13-23
Brayden Krueger posted Sep 13, 2023 9:29 PM
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In the readings of Chapter 1, we are introduced to two Greek poets by the names Homer
and Hesiod. These two are some of the greatest Greek poets known today. Their poems
and tales of how life came or was back then have imprinted many individuals' theories.
While Hesiod is geared more towards the idea of gods ruling over all and not dealing with
humans too much, he brings tales of how the world came to be. The conflicts between the
Titans and the creator, "Heaven," how the gods eventually went into the world by being
born through Rhea, the mother of Kronos' children. The gods set a natural and moral
universe, even though they may not be the best individuals. They still guard significant
factors of human lives. Homer focuses more on human life and the passion for morality among the offspring of the
gods. Gods are not brought up as much in Homer's work as in Hesiod's, but they still play
significant roles in the tales. The gods were more or less helpers to the human race when
things went sideways. The honor was a recurring theme in his writings and was the most
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important thing to humans. The tales were focused on heroes and their individual stories
for glory to be gained.
For me personally, I think the idea of all the gods is fascinating. Having power over their
domains and changing them instantly is a radical theory. I can not say I believe in a system
of that nature. I am more monotheistic than polytheistic, but again, the idea resonates
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The discussion of philosophy begins in ancient Greece. The author states that some of the
very first methods of storytelling and the passing on of history was through the use of
embellished myths. Philosophy started when people would begin to analyze these stories
and question if they were true, searching for the answer of what was "truth". This would
lead to instances of conflict when philosophers would begin to question the legitimacy of
these stories because often times they would be considered heretics for going against the
words that were accepted as factual and divine.
I believe that at the time of ancient Greece, it was incredibly important that the creation of
myths be encouraged, because it gave a common belief that the citizens could use to unite
with each other and find common ground. The stories almost always seem to tie together
with each other, telling stories of great feats performed by strong people and divine gods. I
also noticed that the myths usually carry themes of punishing those who commit heresy or
disrespect to the gods, this could be because the government of that time wanted to
dissuade its citizens of going against their rule and teachings.
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Myth in Hesiod and Homer 1-8 assignment
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I'm not sure if I missed any information but I can't seem to find the materials on this
anywhere. Will you please let me know how to access this information or let me know
where to find this book.
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Discussion of Philosophical Facts
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A fact can be defined as a reality that cannot be logically disputed or rejected. Facts are
definite realities that will not change with any amount of reasoning. Facts are not invented,
created, or discovered. Facts are acknowledged. Water is wet, is a fact. I believe that
Philosophical facts are the realities that most or all rational people believe. The writers in
Chapter one seemed to be illustrating or dealing with Ethics, the theory of right and wrong,
and good and evil. The writers seem to share a common theme that, there are
consequences for your action and that if you do wrong or evil, you will be punished.
My personal belief system stems from the lessons that I learned from my parents, teachers,
and clergy. I believe that you do unto others as you would have them do unto you. Don't
take anything that doesn't belong to you. If you do wrong, you should expect to have to
pay the consequences.
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Chapter 1 Discussion
Corben Pierce posted Sep 14, 2023 7:15 AM
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One of the most important things when it comes to philosophy and understanding of the
stories and myths of the past is being able to understand and interpret the stories of the
past and deciphering the literal from the metaphorical. We often hear tales of Gods and
warriors capable of unbelievable feats. Many of these stories being told have been
exaggerated or made in order to portray a lesson or story. In the tale of "The Odyssey" we
learn of the tragedy of individuals who can't give up their pride and honor and go to
extreme lengths in order to uphold and present that to those around them. Many of the
characters that we hear of in this tale have their ultimate downfall attributed to this fact,
that they were so unwilling to change or be seen as weak or unhonorable that it would lead
to their ultimate end. These and many others lessons can be gleamed from many of these
tales and myths and we can learn a lot from them as long as we are able to see through the
mystical and interpret the words that ancient philosophers wrote for us long ago.
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The author discusses on the ageless human curiosity about life, meaning, and the nature of
the world in this paragraph. These basic concerns have remained unanswered throughout
history, spanning cultural borders. The author acknowledges the philosophical questions
that arise as a result of these reflections, such as the purpose of life, the best way to live it,
and the existence of an afterlife. As early replies to these queries, the text presents the
notion of myths. Myths, which are entrenched in cultural traditions, frequently feature
gods and supernatural creatures, impacting cultures' belief systems and values. They lay the
groundwork for comprehending the world and our position in it.
Philosophy, defined as "love of wisdom," evolves when people question the veracity of
these myths and seek reasonable grounds for their views. Philosophers examine myths
critically, either defending them, respecting their symbolic worth, or criticizing their claims
of literal reality. The historical background of Socrates' execution in ancient Athens
exemplifies the contradiction between mythology and philosophy. While challenging old
beliefs, Socrates was heavily affected by the dominant views of his day. His execution
exemplifies the tensions that can develop when philosophical investigation questions firmly
held cultural beliefs.
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D.Yates Chapter 1. Before Philosophy: Myth in Hesiod and Homer
Devonte Yates posted Sep 11, 2023 4:45 PM
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Chapter 1 has struck a spark of questions in me already. One thing that stuck out to me
was in Homer mythology, how he talks about Achillies and King Priam had sat and wept
together after both of their prize possessions had been killed in battle. That shows me that
back then, even the powerful and wealthy ones had a heart and empathy for things of that
matter. Hesiod mythology was quite fascinating describing all the main Greek Gods (Zeus,
Poseidon, and Hades) and how they governed and stood by different parts of the earth. To
some extent I side with Homer Mythology in my belief system due to the fact how he
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displayed that two people that was at war with each other could come together and weep
together. I believe that everything in this life happens for a reason. No one should take life
for granted because we were all put here for a reason to either serve a higher power or to
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When reading the first chapter, in the beginning it is almost exactly what I think often. It is
hard to believe that there were people before any of us here on this earth. Then I begin
thinking, if there were ever dinosaurs or anything like that there had to have been more out
there than what we often hear or could see. I truly believe that they aren't just myths that
are being told. It just makes me think furthermore than what my everyday mind would
think that philosophers are a thing, and we live through some ideas daily.
When reading the chapter, I began to notice that as another person was introduced, they
all meant something of what we have either learned now or have heard of before. Such as
Hades; he is the god of death, where the dead reside. As well as Gaia, meant earth, we
have no idea how she appeared. The different gods all have different powers, and they all
have different status.
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Homer's honor andjustice
Jalen Daniel posted Sep 15, 2023 5:07 PM
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Homer strongly associates justice with the pursuit of honor. Making one believe that
justice and revenge go hand and hand. Acting justice is only necessary for revenge against
one's honor. "The gods both deserve and demand honor,
punishing humans who refuse to give it." To Homer, honor is everything even having the
gods in his stories punish those or " enact justice" on those who did honor them. I believe
justice is just making sure people are treated fairly and acting with respect toward others.
Justice and honor to me don't involve each other a non honorable person can seek justice
for anything they views as wrongdoing no matter if honorable or it isn't.
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Chapter 1
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Overall, chapter one is an introduction to the origin of philosophy itself. In the beginning,
we are introduced to the exact meaning of philosophy; "love of wisdom". These three
words summarize the study itself. It is explained that philosophy is a method of
understanding the world around us through learning the facts. The text mentions Socrates,
who is now known as the father of Western Philosophy. It then goes on to describe the
environment Socrates lives in, and why he was so disliked among the community due to his
contrasting beliefs. I found this chapter very interesting because it gave a brief history of
Greek mythology through the use of poems. I am not personally familiar with Greek myths,
so I found this section very helpful in understanding why the society was so against
Socrates and his beliefs. While it sounds outlandish now, I understand why their society
constructed these myths. Understanding complex situations surrounding life will always be
something mankind works towards, and they were simply doing what they could with the
technology and knowledge they had.
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Chapter 1 discussion post
Jonathan Lopez posted Sep 15, 2023 6:55 PM
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Reading through both stories it becomes apparent that, as stated early in the reading, there
is a large influnce from these stories and others from these poets that impacted Greek
culture and life. Hesiod's poem highlights the need to act just and the eventual
consequences that come to any action whether in reward of good or punishment of evil.
Homer's poem in a similar light showcases potential retaliation of the mistreatment from
someone, however in contrast from Hesiod, the consequences may be from a power unsee
to the human eye but much more severe as well. After reading both I could see how well
these illustrate how society interacts with one another and how well it highlights what we
see now as karma. Often those who act out of line of social norms and against someone
will receive some form of punishment if caught but those who are not caught will often
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suffer from a form of karma and still receive a punishment, just not from somewhere they
can see directly.
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Chapter 1
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When reading the writings from Hesiod and Homer, we get a keen perspective in the
Ancient Greek Mythology and how it provides us with insights to the meaning of life as
wells as gods interfering with human concerns and our ethics. Socrates challenged these
beliefs and as time went on this turned into rationalized thinking about these myths,
making people rethink the literal truth or legitimacy of what was being told. I feel as though my belief system is very broad and open to new ideas, which i believe to be
very important when understanding and looking at philosophical ideologies. I think it is
always good to ask questions and find more evidence to gain knowledge and grow as
people just like the Socrates did when trying to open the door to thinking rationally and
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Kalob Petty posted Sep 15, 2023 1:49 PM
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The interesting quality of myths is the way in which those who created them take humans
natural propensity of storytelling and creativity to explain some of the deeper questions
confronting life, death and the reasons that these sorts of realities even exist. The "love of
wisdom" (Philosophy) is also something that is natural to human beings after a certain
period in time. Whether or not one believes these stories to the fullest extent or simply
looks at them in an artistic, creative light as a way to describe human nature and existence
in a sort of fantastical way is ultimately irrelevant since nothing, not even science or the
worlds most popular religions have really been able to truly answer these questions.
Mythology and its connection to Philosophy is extremely interesting in my belief simply
because it relies on human nature to explain the mystical in a rather mystical way and
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through creativity and story telling attempts to find answers to the most difficult questions
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Chapter 1: Before Philosophy
Kent Dorsey posted Sep 15, 2023 6:08 PM
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Before Socrates and the idea of philosophy there were two poets by the name of Hesiod
and Homer. Hesiod's poem Theogony takes us through the tale of the beginning of all
things. It also talks about the birth of gods and how they set up parts of the universe like
Earth, Heaven, and the people and things that roam there. Homer, said to be the great
teacher of the Greeks, was another poet who composed the poem ,the lliad, tells his tale
through the gods and what they favored which was glory and honor above anything else.
The gods value honor because they have something the humans don't which is that they
are immortal. I believe that Homer and Hesiod's poets inspired and somewhat challenged
the beliefs of later philosophers and started the questioning of life itself. Without them I
feel that Socrates and other philosopher's who read their stories and learned from it would
not have been challenging the views of the public. I am more attached to believe Hesoid's
poem more because he talks about the creation of the gods and the war that broke out
which would make sense considering that heaven and earth are split.
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Chapter 1
Laiba Ahmed posted Sep 15, 2023 3:11 AM
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The idea of existence is what philosophy facts are based on. The desire to know what is
real and what is just a myth. In the first chapter it is said based on old scriptures today's
world have adapted their beliefs. Both poets mentioned in chapter 1 Hesiod and Homer
talk about multiple gods and their ruling. They elaborate the idea that the ruling of these
gods have shaped and spared the humans. In Hesiod's poem he presents Zeus the greatest
god amongst the gods. Which have be created from earth. They have been created into
existence errorless, yet they present errors. In Homer's poem it is pretty similar where Zeus
is the most powerful god yet he is giving women as prizes. In my belief if the gods are the
ones who controlled the humans then why did the humans and gods act the same? Their
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desire for women and their conflicts amongst each other all are similar. All wanting the
power and status. Which is pretty accurate to what humans continue to do today. If the
"gods" presented themselves as normal and punished humans for acting in sinful and unjust
ways they certainly cannot not be the start of existence. Although I believe that god does
exist but not like Zeus and Apollo.
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I elaborated on the passage from myth in Hesiod and Homer pp. 1-2, It highlights the
universal human curiosity about existence and our place in the universe. It mentions
questions like the meaning of life, death, and the basic information that have guided
philosophical inquiry for millennia. Myths are described as stories, frequently about gods,
that clarify the world's formation. These myths were not just tales but formed the basis of
cultural traditions and beliefs. The passage shows the tension between myths and
philosophy.
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Wickedness is punished and virtue is rewarded
Matthew Pomales posted Sep 15, 2023 5:19 PM
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Throughout religion and mythology wickedness is always punished and virtue is always
rewarded. Throughout our culture it is the same, every Disney movie, Marvel movie, etc.
the moral of the story is always to live a virtuous life. From Zeus to God to an all powerfull
being, the true purpose of this life on earth is to test the heart of man, and woman. If we
didnt go through the struggle of life then we wouldnt be properly prepared for the other
side. The idea of the gods by the greeks was their way of explaining this innate knowledge
of good and evil and is considered mythology. If we could describe these things in terms of
basic understanding we would but there always seems to be consideration for a higher
power. Along with this is the belief in a heaven for those who acquire admission, from
choices made on this earth.
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Just and Honor Among the gods
Nieishia Brown posted Sep 14, 2023 7:33 AM
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Once we got into the poem written by Homer, we immediately dived into honor among the
gods. A whole war started on basis of one god looking bad in front of another. Justice and honor are synonymous here in chapter 1. The whole basis of honor derives
from social justice. On page 6, one of the paragraphs clearly states that what is just is due
honor and that's not honor as in a great regard with words but a mighty display of honor.
More so of an appearance regardless if it's true sentiments in the heart. As long as the gods
“looked” good in front of their counterparts or above humans then they could rule in peace
and that is just. Material things don't matter, love and affection does not matter, and
neither does family; the only thing that matters is how strong and powerful I am and the
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chapter 1
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When it comes to philosophy, it is the basis of reality on the existence and knowledge that
is apart of this world. Philosophical facts is dependent on perspectives of events or
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Myth in Hesiod and Homer.
Ugo Nkata posted Sep 15, 2023 1:20 PM
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The introduction and infusion of myth into poems and tales was a method employed in
unraveling the mysteries behind human existence. Hesiod and Homer who were revered as
great poets and who originated Greek poetry wrote poems that were mythical and also
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didactic. Mythical in the sense that they tried to explain supernatural mysteries with words
and didactic because the poems they wrote contained moral lessons. My belief on this
subject is that the Greek poets acted as intermediaries between the people and the
supernatural, they tried to use poems to express their beliefs and explain mysteries way
beyond the natural. Philosophy is a fact that involves deep thinking, it is not abstract,
maybe that is why there were some controversies and people started asking "How?",
"Why?" just to understand the world they lived in. Though the poems written by the Greek
poets Hesiod and Homer gave rise to mythology, it was still a good tool to teach morals.
Theogony by Hesiod teaches that wickedness is not a virtue, while the Iliad by Homer
establishes that moderation is.
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