Confucius technically defeated Lao Tzu in the Great Debates, but Lao Tzu's followers believed he won, because according to his O understanding of the Tao, those who speak do not know, Confucius made his argument and Lao Tzu's response was to simply pick up a flower, but both philosophers' followers argue their teacher won, for different reasons taught that pleasure, health, wealth, reputation, and happiness are all "poisonous snakes", whose "venom" renders the average man "equivalent to a somnambulist" (a sleep walker) prescribed meditation, mantra, breathing exercises, slow graceful movements and bodily postures as the daily routines necessary to master mind and body, which disciplines are considered the forerunners of Tai Chi, Chi Kung (Master Kung's Life-Force developing practices), and related forms of Taoist yoga and martial arts, long before Bodhidharma brought Buddhism and Indian martial arts to China all of the above none of the above

Confucius technically defeated Lao Tzu in the Great Debates, but Lao Tzu's followers believed he won, because according to his O understanding of the Tao, those who speak do not know, Confucius made his argument and Lao Tzu's response was to simply pick up a flower, but both philosophers' followers argue their teacher won, for different reasons taught that pleasure, health, wealth, reputation, and happiness are all "poisonous snakes", whose "venom" renders the average man "equivalent to a somnambulist" (a sleep walker) prescribed meditation, mantra, breathing exercises, slow graceful movements and bodily postures as the daily routines necessary to master mind and body, which disciplines are considered the forerunners of Tai Chi, Chi Kung (Master Kung's Life-Force developing practices), and related forms of Taoist yoga and martial arts, long before Bodhidharma brought Buddhism and Indian martial arts to China all of the above none of the above